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The Fallacy that I Must Know What's Going on to Justify Leaving



The Fallacy that I Must Know What's Going on to Justify Leaving

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Old 07-21-2024, 06:01 AM
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The Fallacy that I Must Know What's Going on to Justify Leaving

Dear friends
As part of the process of leaving one of my jobs, I have come to a truth I want to share with you. As always, it's Principles above Personalities.
1. I don't have to know that someone is an addict to justify leaving them. I don't have to know what their addiction is. If they are out of control, the reason(s) for that are none of my business.
2. The triangulation they employ to take others prisoner is reason enough for me to depart.
3. The "siblings" are staying in the "family" because of personal reasons. That too, is none of my business.
4. We make decisions to observe red flags, not ignore them.
5. One of the biggest benefits of recovery, is that we do not repeat past mistakes.
6. We live soberly, not getting entangled in personal sin, nor the sins of others.
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Old 07-21-2024, 07:24 AM
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Thanks E. This is indeed food for thought.

Staying on my side of the street is a constant challenge for me. Your post gives a more detailed map of this concept.
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Old 07-21-2024, 01:19 PM
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Eauchiche, your post made me think of this post that was bumped in the Friends and Family of substance abusers forum yesterday:

The Twelve Steps of Insanity


1. We admitted we were powerless over nothing - that we could manage our lives perfectly and those of anyone else who would allow us.

2. Came to believe there was no power greater than ourselves, and the rest of the world was insane.

3. Made a decision to have our loved ones and friends turn their wills and lives over to our care even though they couldn't understand us at all.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of everyone we knew.

5. Admitted to the whole world at large the exact nature of everyone else's wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to make others straighten up and do right.

7. Demanded others to either "shape up or ship out."

8. Made a list of all persons who had harmed us and became willing to go to any length to get even with them all.

9. Got direct revenge on such people wherever possible except when to do so would cost us our own lives or, at the very least, a jail sentence.

10. Continued to take the inventory of others, and when they were wrong, promptly and repeatedly told them about it.

11. Sought through bitching and nagging to improve our relations with others as we couldn't understand them at all, asking only that they knuckle under and do things our way.

12. Having had a complete physical, emotional and spiritual breakdown as the result of these steps, we tried to blame it on others and to get sympathy and pity in all our affairs

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Originally Posted by Eauchiche View Post
1. I don't have to know that someone is an addict to justify leaving them. I don't have to know what their addiction is. If they are out of control, the reason(s) for that are none of my business.
I suspect that many stay with their qualifiers because leaving someone 'who has a disease' would be considered heartless and mean. It doesn't matter WHY someone treats us badly. Treating us badly is reason enough. Additionally, this would be the only disease is which the 'treatment' is based on the patient making different choices.
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I want to clarify that the post I copied here isn't meant to be strictly serious - it's a bit tongue in cheek. Don't want any newcomers thinking anyone here is saying that is how they are.

Everyone has their own reasons for staying or not.

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Old 07-22-2024, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by velma929 View Post
......................... leaving someone 'who has a disease' would be considered heartless and mean...................
THIS^^^^
I saw a replay of this yesterday during the goings on. The spouse promised "in sickness and in health," once upon a time.

When the afflicted one turns into someone down in a deep hole crying for others to join them, it's time to leave.
When they turn into a turtle on its back saying "help me, help me," be sure to avoid the claws. They are razor sharp.
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